7.1 craziness

[Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj]

Perhaps THE NETSCAPE GURUS can explain please.

I was working on my Local Folders, moving messages between folders,
etc.. The system was off-line, with the modem powered down!
All of a sudden while, my hands were off the keyboard, and off
the mouse!, the display (jumped around) i.e changed on its own.
The folder that I had highlighted and was inspecting, disappeared.
The highlight jumped to a different folder.

Of course I was much surprised and went looking for my missing
folder. Finally I found that:
One of the other folders had suddenly acquired a subfolder,
whose contents were my missing folder. Checking the files
structure with the Windows file system explorer, I found
that sure enough an .sbd subdirectory had been created
and my folder and its .msf file had been moved to the .sbd
subdirectory. i.e.

The file structure Before was:
X:"local folders"
aaa
aaa.msf
bbb
bbb.msf
........
And After:
X:"local folders"
bbb.sbd
bbb
bbb.msf
..........
and in bbb.sbd
aaa
aaa.msf

I also noticed a bunch of folders in the Netscape Local Folders
structure, (and they were reflected in the Windows explorer structure
of X:"local folders") that I had not created.
Looking at the contents of these I was surprised to find that some
of them were holding contents just like some groups of messages
that I had been moving around between different folders earlier.
I.E These seemed to be some kind of Netscape temporaries ???
The names on these extra folders were: nstmp, nstmp-1, nstmp-2 ...
Some of the contents of the other nstmp-* folders
seemed to be quite old. i.e. not messages that I had been
manipulating recently.

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ???
--
Rostyk

[Moz Champion]

Post by Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
Perhaps THE NETSCAPE GURUS can explain please.
I was working on my Local Folders, moving messages between folders,
etc.. The system was off-line, with the modem powered down!
All of a sudden while, my hands were off the keyboard, and off
the mouse!, the display (jumped around) i.e changed on its own.
The folder that I had highlighted and was inspecting, disappeared.
The highlight jumped to a different folder.
Of course I was much surprised and went looking for my missing
One of the other folders had suddenly acquired a subfolder,
whose contents were my missing folder. Checking the files
structure with the Windows file system explorer, I found
that sure enough an .sbd subdirectory had been created
and my folder and its .msf file had been moved to the .sbd
subdirectory. i.e.
X:"local folders"
aaa
aaa.msf
bbb
bbb.msf
........
X:"local folders"
bbb.sbd
bbb
bbb.msf
..........
and in bbb.sbd
aaa
aaa.msf
I also noticed a bunch of folders in the Netscape Local Folders
structure, (and they were reflected in the Windows explorer structure
of X:"local folders") that I had not created.
Looking at the contents of these I was surprised to find that some
of them were holding contents just like some groups of messages
that I had been moving around between different folders earlier.
I.E These seemed to be some kind of Netscape temporaries ???
The names on these extra folders were: nstmp, nstmp-1, nstmp-2 ...
Some of the contents of the other nstmp-* folders
seemed to be quite old. i.e. not messages that I had been
manipulating recently.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ???
--
Rostyk

If Mozilla/Netscape was off and not running, then *it* didnt do anything
- it was your system that did <g>
so best ask a windows guru why its file management system messed up when
you were sorting files with Netscape/Mozilla off!

Several bugs in Mozilla can cause such as the nstmp, nstmp-1 entries.
Best bet is to remove them temporarily from Mozilla (with Mozilla off of
course) and then restart mozilla, if you havent lost anything, then you
can delete the errant files
If things are missing or changed in Mozilla, then quit and place the
files back where you got them from.
Check before deleting!

[Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj]

Post by Moz Champion

Post by Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
Perhaps THE NETSCAPE GURUS can explain please.
I was working on my Local Folders, moving messages between folders,
etc.. The system was off-line, with the modem powered down!
All of a sudden while, my hands were off the keyboard, and off
the mouse!, the display (jumped around) i.e changed on its own.
The folder that I had highlighted and was inspecting, disappeared.
The highlight jumped to a different folder.
Of course I was much surprised and went looking for my missing
One of the other folders had suddenly acquired a subfolder,
whose contents were my missing folder. Checking the files
structure with the Windows file system explorer, I found
that sure enough an .sbd subdirectory had been created
and my folder and its .msf file had been moved to the .sbd
subdirectory. i.e.
X:"local folders"
aaa
aaa.msf
bbb
bbb.msf
........
X:"local folders"
bbb.sbd
bbb
bbb.msf
..........
and in bbb.sbd
aaa
aaa.msf
I also noticed a bunch of folders in the Netscape Local Folders
structure, (and they were reflected in the Windows explorer structure
of X:"local folders") that I had not created.
Looking at the contents of these I was surprised to find that some
of them were holding contents just like some groups of messages
that I had been moving around between different folders earlier.
I.E These seemed to be some kind of Netscape temporaries ???
The names on these extra folders were: nstmp, nstmp-1, nstmp-2 ...
Some of the contents of the other nstmp-* folders
seemed to be quite old. i.e. not messages that I had been
manipulating recently.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ???
--
Rostyk

If Mozilla/Netscape was off and not running, then *it* didnt do anything
- it was your system that did <g>
so best ask a windows guru why its file management system messed up when
you were sorting files with Netscape/Mozilla off!

Please don't misread my words intentionally :-\ That <g> is a poor excuse!
I was using netscapes' facilities to move the messages around among the
folders! The system was off-line i.e. not connected to the network!
That info was provided to remove possible suspicion of outside/remote
interference!
OK?

Post by Moz Champion
Several bugs in Mozilla can cause such as the nstmp, nstmp-1 entries.
Best bet is to remove them temporarily from Mozilla (with Mozilla off of
course) and then restart mozilla, if you havent lost anything, then you
can delete the errant files
If things are missing or changed in Mozilla, then quit and place the
files back where you got them from.
Check before deleting!

Yeah :-\ sure :( some bugs? and no info on what kind of conditions
will cause Netscape 7.1 to suddenly rearrange folder structures,
or create these persisting temporary folders. ?
I recreated an aaa folder and moved back to it all the messages
which NS moved into its created subfolder of bbb, and then deleted
the NS created subfolder. I compressed all the folders, to let
NS clean up its indexes. I shut down and restarted NS.
But looking at the files with the Windows explorer, I note that
NS did not get rid of the bbb.sbd folder, I.e. NS is not cleaning
up the system file structure properly.

[Moz Champion]

Post by Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj

Post by Moz Champion

Post by Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj
Perhaps THE NETSCAPE GURUS can explain please.
I was working on my Local Folders, moving messages between folders,
etc.. The system was off-line, with the modem powered down!
All of a sudden while, my hands were off the keyboard, and off
the mouse!, the display (jumped around) i.e changed on its own.
The folder that I had highlighted and was inspecting, disappeared.
The highlight jumped to a different folder.
Of course I was much surprised and went looking for my missing
One of the other folders had suddenly acquired a subfolder,
whose contents were my missing folder. Checking the files
structure with the Windows file system explorer, I found
that sure enough an .sbd subdirectory had been created
and my folder and its .msf file had been moved to the .sbd
subdirectory. i.e.
X:"local folders"
aaa
aaa.msf
bbb
bbb.msf
........
X:"local folders"
bbb.sbd
bbb
bbb.msf
..........
and in bbb.sbd
aaa
aaa.msf
I also noticed a bunch of folders in the Netscape Local Folders
structure, (and they were reflected in the Windows explorer structure
of X:"local folders") that I had not created.
Looking at the contents of these I was surprised to find that some
of them were holding contents just like some groups of messages
that I had been moving around between different folders earlier.
I.E These seemed to be some kind of Netscape temporaries ???
The names on these extra folders were: nstmp, nstmp-1, nstmp-2 ...
Some of the contents of the other nstmp-* folders
seemed to be quite old. i.e. not messages that I had been
manipulating recently.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ???
--
Rostyk

If Mozilla/Netscape was off and not running, then *it* didnt do
anything - it was your system that did <g>
so best ask a windows guru why its file management system messed up
when you were sorting files with Netscape/Mozilla off!

Please don't misread my words intentionally :-\ That <g> is a poor excuse!
I was using netscapes' facilities to move the messages around among the
folders! The system was off-line i.e. not connected to the network!
That info was provided to remove possible suspicion of outside/remote
interference!
OK?

Post by Moz Champion
Several bugs in Mozilla can cause such as the nstmp, nstmp-1 entries.
Best bet is to remove them temporarily from Mozilla (with Mozilla off
of course) and then restart mozilla, if you havent lost anything, then
you can delete the errant files
If things are missing or changed in Mozilla, then quit and place the
files back where you got them from.
Check before deleting!

Yeah :-\ sure :( some bugs? and no info on what kind of conditions
will cause Netscape 7.1 to suddenly rearrange folder structures,
or create these persisting temporary folders. ?
I recreated an aaa folder and moved back to it all the messages
which NS moved into its created subfolder of bbb, and then deleted
the NS created subfolder. I compressed all the folders, to let
NS clean up its indexes. I shut down and restarted NS.
But looking at the files with the Windows explorer, I note that
NS did not get rid of the bbb.sbd folder, I.e. NS is not cleaning
up the system file structure properly.

Well, if you 'slipped' and dropped the folder into another folder, that
would account for exactly the symptoms you described.
You put (by mistake) a folder in a folder, so a .sbd was created and the
folder appeared there.

Perhaps a little more care when mousing around would be satisfactory <g>

It happens to the best of us. A little slip, a little inattention, and
<POOF> where did it go! It happens.

Mozilla never did do a good job at cleaning up, but it usually doesnt
matter to performance.